Liberal Catholic - CathNews New Zealand https://cathnews.co.nz Catholic News New Zealand Wed, 07 Aug 2024 09:31:19 +0000 en-NZ hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.7.1 https://cathnews.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/cropped-cathnewsfavicon-32x32.jpg Liberal Catholic - CathNews New Zealand https://cathnews.co.nz 32 32 70145804 Tim Busch and Jim Martin bring left and right Catholics together over dinner and wine https://cathnews.co.nz/2024/08/08/tim-busch-and-jim-martin-bring-left-and-right-catholics-together-over-dinner-and-wine/ Thu, 08 Aug 2024 06:11:49 +0000 https://cathnews.co.nz/?p=174201 Catholics

In a high-rise apartment in New York City overlooking the Freedom Tower and the Statue of Liberty, Catholic thought leaders both conservative and liberal gathered. They were there to pray together and share a fine meal over a glass of Cabernet Francis — all in an effort to overcome polarisation. In the Catholic world, it's Read more

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In a high-rise apartment in New York City overlooking the Freedom Tower and the Statue of Liberty, Catholic thought leaders both conservative and liberal gathered.

They were there to pray together and share a fine meal over a glass of Cabernet Francis — all in an effort to overcome polarisation.

In the Catholic world, it's hard to imagine an unlikelier pair than Tim Busch and the Rev. Jim Martin.

A successful businessman and entrepreneur, Busch founded the Napa Institute in 2011 to combat secularisation in the Church and uphold conservative values.

Martin, the editor-at-large of the Jesuit magazine "America" is best known for his Outreach programme, aimed at promoting inclusivity and welcome for LGBTQ+ members of the Catholic community.

Together, these two representatives of opposing factions in the Church have created a framework for dialogue, even friendship, among priests, activists and journalists who would otherwise be arguing over divisive theological issues on social media.

Busch contacted Martin and asked for his help to bring left leaning Catholics to the table and today the two speak regularly to work on common issues and think of ways to bring their dinner experiment to U.S. parishes.

The dinners started in late 2023, as Busch became increasingly concerned with rising political polarisation in the U.S. and the deepening fractures he saw mirrored in the Catholic Church.

Of course, in the minds of many liberal Catholics, Busch is partly responsible for those fractures, having hosted gatherings at the Napa Institute where some of the most vocal conservative Catholic voices in the U.S. railed against woke-ism and liberal ideologies.

By this year's annual summer gathering of the Napa Institute, held July 24-28 at the Meritage Resort and Spa in Napa, California, Busch had struck a new tone, urging Catholics during his keynote speech to leave the culture wars behind and to "stop hating and start loving."

Busch has hosted four dinners, with 40 guests so far, and plans to host three more this year.

"We are not there to debate or have a theological conversation, although it's not prohibited, it's just not the primary goal," Busch told Religion News Service in an interview on Monday (July 29).

"After all, we all share the same beliefs on 95 percent of the issues," he added.

Pray, eat, love

The meetings start with a short Mass in the chapel in Busch's apartment, followed by reciting the rosary before a Marian shrine that his daughter made.

After a brief reception, guests are invited to sit for dinner. It was Martin's idea to ask participants in turn to share their favorite Bible verse and describe how it has impacted their lives.

"That allows them to talk about their spiritual life, but also the family, the kids, the priests, the conversions. It's really touching," he said.

"There are so many people who break down crying during the event.

"I think it shows the impact of meeting people that they have never met before, but they know who they are, and every day they get up in the morning and fight them instead of fighting the devil. I think that's a big relief."

There are 12 guests for every dinner, with Busch and his wife attending every one. "It was very Eucharistic," the Rev. Ricky Manalo, a member of the Paulist Fathers, who attended one of the dinners in March, told RNS.

"Any type of gathering that centers around food is always a good start to conversation and common ground," he said.

A French chef prepares a Mediterranean-inspired dinner for the guests, and Busch, who is in the wine business, pulls out copious amounts of wine — averaging one bottle per guest — from his Trinitas Cellars. "It dials everybody down," he said.

Many of the wines are named after Marian shrines, but the one titled after Pope Francis is the real conversation starter, Busch said.

"Especially for left/center people, they think, "Oh, this guy doesn't hate the Pope — he makes wine with the Pope's name on it!" he said, adding that he sends cases of the wine to the Pope as well.

Carefully curated guest lists

Busch said he tries to invite six people from both camps, conservative and liberal.

Every guest receives a bio of the other participants before the dinner so "nobody gets surprised," he explained.

No one has canceled last minute, and overall people who attended said they were glad to have come, Busch said.

Conservative guests have included the editor of "First Things" magazine, Russell Ronald Reno, and Catholic commentator and author Sohrab Ahmari, and Father Javier del Castillo, the U.S. vicar of the Prelature of Opus Dei.

The list of progressive Catholic guests who have attended the dinners includes professors from Fordham University but also influential Catholics such as Kerry Robinson, who heads Catholic Charities U.S.A., and Sam Sawyer, the editor in chief of "America Magazine."

Inviting left-leaning Catholics to dinner would have been impossible for Busch without Martin's support, he said.

"I've suggested a number of names to Mr. Busch, and when my friends receive their invitations they almost always write to me and say, ‘Should I go?'

And I say yes," Martin said in an email to RNS. "Afterwards they write to tell me how grateful they were to have gone."

Martin's perspective

The bestselling author of "Building a Bridge: How the Catholic Church and the LGBT Community Can Enter into a Relationship of Respect, Compassion, and Sensitivity," Martin has faced considerable vitriol from conservative faithful on social media and traditional news outlets.

At Pope Francis' request he was also invited to bring his perspective to the Synod on Synodality, born from a three year consultation of Catholics at every level to discuss major issues and challenges facing the Church, which will have its second and last summit in October at the Vatican.

The synod adopts Jesuit-inspired methods to promote thoughtful and respectful dialogue in the Church.

"The Synod has invited us to be a Church that listens to the voice of the Holy Spirit, and how can we listen to the Spirit if we don't first listen to one another?" Martin said.

After posting an article by Busch describing the dinners and their goal to lower tensions in the Church, Martin received many comments on X criticising him for "siding with the devil," and some stopped following him on social media.

"I think the more important feedback was from the participants, all of whom seem to have found it valuable," Martin said.

Soaring polarisation

The issue of polarisation in the church has reached soaring heights, especially in the United States.

Pope Francis directly addressed conservative opposition in the U.S. during an interview with CBS in April, where he described his detractors as being engaged in a "suicidal attitude" by being "closed up inside a dogmatic box."

Francis has also recently taken action against his strongest critics, revoking the pension and Vatican lodgings of the leading voice of U.S. conservatives, Cardinal Raymond Burke, and dismissing fiery papal critic Bishop Joseph Strickland from his diocese in Tyler, Texas.

In early July, the Vatican also excommunicated former U.S. papal envoy Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò for the crime of schism, after the prelate claimed Francis was not the rightful pope.

A 2023 Pew Research Center poll found that Catholics are extremely polarised in the U.S., with 44 percent Democrat or leaning Democrat and 52 percent Republican or leaning Republican.

Moreover, in April, Pew found that partisan affiliation strongly impacts Catholic views of Pope Francis — with 89 percent of U.S. Catholics who are Democrats or lean Democrat having a favorable view of the Pope, compared to only 63 percent of Catholics who are Republican or lean Republican.

It's the most politically polarised view of Pope Francis since Pew began surveying on him.

Reuniting the Church

The U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB) has attempted to address this issue through the "Civilize It" initiative, which includes asking faithful to promise to respect the dignity of every human being, including those who think differently.

"When you're writing the Tweet, imagine Jesus is there with you and when you think through that, question ‘should I do this?'" said Bishop McElroy of the Diocese of San Diego during a panel discussion as part of the initiative.

The Paulist Fathers, a Catholic religious society, organised a summit on polarisation in April where they invited hundreds of Catholic leaders, communicators and thinkers to discuss how to promote dialogue and reconciliation within the Church.

"Polarisation is a first-order crisis," said Manalo, who was among the organisers of the San Diego event.

"We can't talk about anything, about gun control, abortion, gender or ecology, in our country or in our church unless we learn to talk to one another."

Manalo believes religious leaders have been caught up in the cultural upheavals of the past 50 years, which have created a "perfect storm" where tribalism has dominated the public discourse.

When he attended the Napa gathering this summer, he walked up to Busch to suggest further steps and initiatives to ensure the dinners don't become a one-off event.

Busch said that even the "archconservative and traditional" members of the Napa board and guild fully support the dinners and that he plans to continue hosting them.

The calendar for 2024 is full, and dinners are already being planned for 2025. Busch is particularly interested in getting prelates together, including Cardinal Wilton Gregory of Washington.

"We just need to figure out how to become more effective and intentional about bringing the Church together so it's not just a one-night phenomenon," he said.

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Conservatives and liberals called to link over life issues https://cathnews.co.nz/2021/09/30/conservatives-and-liberals-called-to-link-over-life-issues/ Thu, 30 Sep 2021 06:09:54 +0000 https://cathnews.co.nz/?p=140955 link over life issues

For Catholics who put their faith first, before anything else, there is one way - above all others - to view the life and death issues facing local communities, the nation and the world: and that is, through the lens of the Gospel and Catholic social teaching! But instead, it clearly appears that more often Read more

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For Catholics who put their faith first, before anything else, there is one way - above all others - to view the life and death issues facing local communities, the nation and the world: and that is, through the lens of the Gospel and Catholic social teaching!

But instead, it clearly appears that more often than not, Catholics - much like the general public - make important decisions on who to vote for, and where to come down on crucial issues, based primarily on the political party they affiliate with and from their cultural, economic and political leanings as being either conservative or liberal.

Putting faith on the back burner is not Christocentric, and is not Catholic.

And so when it comes to the life and death issues facing billions of suffering brothers and sisters - born and unborn, in one's nation, as well as in all other countries - Catholics for the most part, don't look, sound or act much different than the larger secular population. And that's not good.

But in the Gospel, Jesus puts forth to his followers this challenging directive: "You are the light of the world. A city set on a mountain cannot be hidden. Nor do they light a lamp and then put it under a bushel basket; it is set on a lampstand, where it gives light to all in the house."

In a world that is so often darkened by what Pope Francis calls the "culture of indifference," we, the modern-day followers of Jesus, like his ancient followers, are called to radiate the Master's light of love upon the various sufferings of countless brothers and sisters.

But we are taking this mandate too lightly - in a fractured and partial way.

In general, I have long found that very often Catholics with conservative leanings, more or less oppose abortion, infanticide, embryonic stem cell research, euthanasia, promiscuous public school sex education and government attacks on religious liberty and traditional marriage.

And in general, I have long found that very often Catholics with liberal leanings, more or less support nonviolent peace initiatives, demilitarization, drastically cutting military budgets and redirecting those funds to end global hunger and poverty, protecting the environment while working to end human-induced climate change, abolishing capital punishment, welcoming migrants and refugees, opposing racism, and fighting to stop human trafficking.

Each of these efforts is morally commendable - to a point.

But the problem is that when it comes to conservative Catholic social action initiatives and liberal Catholic social action initiatives, it most often boils down to "never the twain shall meet."

And this is disastrous - disastrous for our Catholic faith and for all who will continue to suffer because we prefer biased, ideological, narrow-minded tunnel vision to open-minded, heartfelt Catholic dialogue that places the Gospel and Catholic social teaching as our foundation.

Catholic conservatives and Catholic liberals desperately need to pray and take concrete steps in forging a unity designed to work together to develop holistic nonviolent strategies aimed at protecting the life and dignity of every single human being from conception to natural death - with a preferential option for the poorest and most vulnerable, including our common earth-home.

Instead of ranking the life issues, we need to link them, always bearing in mind that a chain is only as strong as its weakest link.

Thus, all the life-links need to be strong!

Imagine what a moral, political, economic, cultural and religious beacon of light the Catholic Church would be if conservative Catholics and liberal Catholics would come together, in a determined way to learn from each other, to pray together and to work together with Christocentric passion building Pope Francis' "culture of encounter" where all life is respected, protected and nurtured!

  • Tony Magliano is an internationally syndicated Catholic social justice and peace columnist. He is available to speak at diocesan or parish gatherings. Tony can be reached at tmag6@comcast.net.
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I am a Catholic ...but https://cathnews.co.nz/2013/08/06/i-am-a-catholic-but/ Mon, 05 Aug 2013 19:30:24 +0000 http://cathnews.co.nz/?p=47961 For many, being a Catholic nowadays is like saying you're a Star Trek fan. They feel the need to immediately caveat it with a denial that they're a "trekkie." I hear so many people talk of their Catholicism in a similar way. Here's some of the more popular sentence I've heard start with "I'm a Read more

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For many, being a Catholic nowadays is like saying you're a Star Trek fan. They feel the need to immediately caveat it with a denial that they're a "trekkie." I hear so many people talk of their Catholicism in a similar way.

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Was Cardinal Carlo Martini the last liberal Catholic bishop? https://cathnews.co.nz/2012/09/11/was-cardinal-carlo-martini-the-last-liberal-catholic-bishop/ Mon, 10 Sep 2012 19:31:09 +0000 http://cathnews.co.nz/?p=33109

Vatican City — With the recent death of Cardinal Carlo Maria Martini, Catholics who call for church reform on issues such as homosexuality and priestly celibacy have lost one of their last leading lights in the top echelons of the church's hierarchy. Martini, who died Aug. 31, was a Jesuit and an archbishop of Milan Read more

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Vatican City — With the recent death of Cardinal Carlo Maria Martini, Catholics who call for church reform on issues such as homosexuality and priestly celibacy have lost one of their last leading lights in the top echelons of the church's hierarchy.

Martini, who died Aug. 31, was a Jesuit and an archbishop of Milan from 1980-2002. More importantly, he was considered for decades the informal leader of "liberals" inside the church. But he has no clear successor in the current crop of cardinals.

He had a "rare combination of skills as a scholar, pastor, communicator and holy man," said the Rev. Thomas Reese, a church expert and fellow at Georgetown University's Woodstock Theological Center. This allowed him to be an independent voice in the church that prizes conformity to tradition. Read more

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Alessandro Speciale writes for Religion News Service.

 

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Views on provocative Catholic TV station anger Detroit archdiocese http://www.freep.com/article/20120213/NEWS05/202130357/Views-on-provocative-Real-Catholic-TV-station-anger-Detroit-archdiocese-and-others?odyssey=nav%7Chead Mon, 13 Feb 2012 18:30:13 +0000 http://cathnews.co.nz/?p=19184 As a Catholic TV station becomes increasingly popular around the world, church officials are trying to tell the public that the media outlet does not represent Catholicism. In two public statements, the Archdiocese of Detroit has taken the unusual step of publicly criticizing Real Catholic TV, saying "that it does not have the authorization required Read more

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As a Catholic TV station becomes increasingly popular around the world, church officials are trying to tell the public that the media outlet does not represent Catholicism.

In two public statements, the Archdiocese of Detroit has taken the unusual step of publicly criticizing Real Catholic TV, saying "that it does not have the authorization required under church law to identify or promote itself as Catholic."

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Church hierarchy not listening https://cathnews.co.nz/2011/06/14/church-hierarchy-not-listening/ Mon, 13 Jun 2011 18:59:04 +0000 http://cathnews.co.nz/?p=5581

Members of the American Catholic Council, meeting in Detroit, are concerned the Church's hierarchy is not listening to the Church. Specific mention was made of the role of women, married clergy and the treatment of homosexuals. Members of a liberal group of U.S. Roman Catholics on Sunday called on Church leaders to open talks with their members Read more

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Members of the American Catholic Council, meeting in Detroit, are concerned the Church's hierarchy is not listening to the Church.

Specific mention was made of the role of women, married clergy and the treatment of homosexuals.

Members of a liberal group of U.S. Roman Catholics on Sunday called on Church leaders to open talks with their members on controversies ranging from the ordination of women to allowing priests to marry.

"When in God's name are the conversations going to begin?" asked Joan Chittister, a Benedictine nun who addressed the meeting of about 2,000 people — part of a liberal wing that represents a minority in the 1.2 billion-member Church.

She likened the structure, with bishops and archbishops answering to the pope in Rome, to "a medieval system that has now been abandoned by humanity everywhere, except by us."

The Archdiocese's website said, "All of the invited keynote speakers have manifested dissent from Catholic teachings or support for dissenters," and clergy who attended the meeting were warned by Detroit Archbishop Allen Vigneron they might be de-frocked.

The group's "Catholic Bill of Rights and Responsibilities" reads like a list of grievances against the conservative leadership of Pope Benedict, who has frustrated liberals by ruling out the possibility of women priests or a married clergy and putting pressure on dissenting theologians.

"Few people realize how powerful the pope is," Swiss theologian Hans Kueng told the meeting through a video presentation. "We have to change an absolutist system."

About 600 people attended a rival meeting espousing a more conservative version of Catholicism in nearby Livonia, Michigan, on Saturday, according to local media reports. The archdiocese endorsed but did not organize that meeting.

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